The Topic is "Mistakes About Medical Mistakes"
Blogger Don said...
Ray said ... "God is not like us. He is infallible. You can trust Him implicitly. He will never disappoint you. Ever."
Where's your evidence Ray? I'm not going to dispute your figures about how many die due to medical mistakes.
But please explain to me why this infallible God that one can trust implicitly to never disappoint allows so many to die from medical mistakes?
I'm sure quite a few of those who died from medical mistakes prayed and prayed to your God to make their surgeries a success. And probably had many people praying for them.
So why does your God continually allow "mistakes" to kill these people?
Is it because the people getting the operations aren't true Christians in your sense of the word and don't deserve God's help?
Is it because one or more of the praying friends where not the acceptable type of Christian and therefore their prayers nullify any "real Christian" prayers?
Is it because the doctors or someone on the staff might be Jewish or of another religion and God doesn't want to help them?
Or are the doctors not the right type of Christian?
And what about all the other deaths. Is it your God's will that people need to die these horrible deaths? Is it because of your celebrated original sin? I thought your buddy Jesus was supposed to take care of all that?
Since you seem to be in direct communication with your God, why is he such a lame duck when it comes to taking care of his people?
If someone has cancer and they put their trust in God and pray and pray and pray for a successful operation, why would your God ignore this?
January 4, 2009 9:31 AM
Blogger Dory said...
Don, The problem with most people that see God as "failing to answer prayer" is that they just don't understand the nature of prayer. It's like in the movies, you know, "God if you save me now I'll be in church on Sunday". That's trying to strong arm God and it's not going to happen. Or the prayer is self centered (greedy) or simply against God's will (just my time to die). Some people pray to God out of fear of death but don't want to live the required life. Also if I called you a cowardly stupid fool and said bad things about your mother would you give me the time of day much less save my life? So how can I expect God to answer my prayers if I treat him like this?
We have pushed God out of our society, out of our schools, out of our courts, out of our government, and out of our lives. Then you want to blame God (or rather not believe in him) for not protecting us. We as a nation told God to go away and we don't need him. So God, as requested, removed his hand of protection from our nation and the number of people dying and the number of disaster has increased over the decades.
Listen to me here, I testified to this to my pastor last night... Sunday before last I wasn't going to go to Sunday night service at the local nursing home. It was new to me and I wasn't sure I really wanted to. Really old people aren't the liveliest bunch. Also I wasn't paying attention to the clock and I was going to be like 10 minutes late anyways. So I argued it over in my head but I know God was telling me to go. So I went. After the service I headed home and seen a guy on the side of the road trying to change a tire in the dark. Car after car passed by and I would of also but God pushed me and I turned around. Come to find out him and his pregnant wife with a young dog was shivering in the cold trying to change this tire with a broken jack. My tools weren't in my truck so I gave them some extra light and made friendly conversation while we waited for their parents to arrive. I know I was part of God's answer to a prayer that night.
What you pass off as good will or circumstance isn't as it always seems. I'm telling you if you give Glory and Praise God when good things happen your life will be so much better. But you need to understand even the most true hearted Christians suffer. God brings us closer to him and makes us grow in many ways. What if we didn't have the Martyrs? If Christians were not willing to suffer and die for Jesus this religion would of vanished long ago.
I will tell you this, why does a atheist suffer? I don't know.
Why does a true believer suffer? For the Glory of God in a way we can only hope to understand.
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Noble, God isn't responsible for mans free will.
So prayer helps, and yet there is no observable difference in the events which befall believers and non respectively. They get sick and die at the same rate, have accidents, tragedies etc exactly as if prayer had no external effect whatsoever.
ReplyDeleteMaybe prayer helps like affirmation helps, like deep breathing and meditation helps, as a way to organize ones thoughts and calm the mind. If that works great for you, but you've got no reason to attribute this to a supernatural power.
Tom Cruise credits Scientology for his urge to help someone change a tire, you attribute it to God's will... an atheist generally puts stuff like that down to empathy and an interest in the common good. It's really not that hard. People do nice things for me all the time, and vice versa, and I certainly don't pray.
Also, if you called me a host of rotten names and then suddenly ended up in a situation where your life needed saving and it cost me virtually nothing to do so then of course I would save you. Only a monster would do otherwise.
ReplyDeletePrayer does help on many levels and for a person who truly believes in God it does in fact work. One of the biggest failures in the common belief in prayer is that people think... no matter who I am no matter what I do if I pray the bible says the prayer will be answered. And if there is a God this will prove it. And they base that on this single line in the bible. A book that they probably never sat down to read. From Matthew 7:7 "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you."
ReplyDeleteBut that's only a half truth. Just enough to give an atheist some reason to disbelieve. Because they asked and it wasn't answered. If you look a few scriptures ahead you will see this:
Matt 6:6 ” But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.”
What that is saying is, don't stand out in a crowd and say God cure me of my sickness!! It's show boating and just another strong arm tactic to God.
There's more:
James 4:3 ” Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts. “
That's why prayer for money, prayers for hot wives, prayers for winning the lottery will never ever work.
Romans 8:28 “And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.”
And to a true Christian Romans 8:28 is the high card.
I'm sorry to say but there is only one pray God will hear from a person not saved. And that's a prayer of repentance to ask Jesus Christ to accept him as lord and savior. To ask him to forgive their sins. To willingly surrender to him and acknowledge that they need him.
After that they have to put away the things that are sinful. Cut off the porn, kill the internet for a while to remove the temptations.
I cleared off every single movie, photo, magazine, dvd's everything that I knew wasn't right and made me ashamed to have. I had a horrible addiction to sex and God smashed that into the ground when I begged him for his help. In that single moment that I surrendered I could literally feel the weight of my sins being lifted off of me and I was a new creature in Christ. My life has been so much better, and prayers have been answered. Look at some of my other post that I made in the last few weeks.